Wednesday, November 30, 2011

MAIL - 13 - Part - 1

I Wrote -

As you said, as the understanding of scriptures increases you might be convinced.

In my understanding, before approaching any scriptures one need to know the basic foundation. That is for each and every point, one cannot understand it logically. Only thing one should ensure is that whether it is from God or not. If it is from God then it is acceptable otherwise it is not acceptable.

The limitation with trying to understand everything logically is that humans are given only a very tiny part of God's knowledge. God ask us to believe in His angels. Nobody can prove the existence of Angels by any kind of logic. If customer, in FRS asked to implement a given functionality with the specified logic and the developer decided that his logic is better (or he did not understand the logic of customer) and implemented in his own logic. After that when customer checked, he found that the developer did not use the specified logic. Here two things will happen
1. Customer will question the developer why he did not use the specified logic. This is because customer has the full understanding of the system and the customer has some other intention behind using his logic.
2. Since the developer did not possess the full knowledge like customer, he will came to know his mistake only when he meets the customer!.

The point is, Humans Have Serious Limitations. Al Mighty God does not have any Limitations.

So as a  believer in God, one should check whether it is from God or not. If it is convinced that it is from God then there is no hesitation because only God has the full and perfect logic and knowledge. Please try to understand this basic knowledge before trying to learn from scriptures.

Now I will explain my understanding regarding the scriptures.

I understand that all the scriptures such as The Vedas,  The Torah, The Psalms, The Bible and the Quran came from the same source. That is from One God. He sent these scriptures by His chosen prophets. All the scriptures were send in the language of the people to which it was sent.

The Message of Scriptures

The prime and the foremost command that every scripture and their prophets upheld was - Worship The One God Without any Forms such as Idols, Graves or Images. I understand that this mankind received The Vedas by the means of Rishis or Prophets who had been sent to Indian subcontinent. When one goes through the verses of Vedas, there are plenty of commands to Worship The One God without any forms. If you look at the meaning of 'Ohm', it does calls the humanity to Worship The One God Without any forms.

"Mayest Thou (AUM) O God, Who art (Mitra), Friend of all, (Varuna) Holiest of all, and (Aryama) Controller of the Universe, be merciful unto us. Mayest thou (Indra) O Lord Almighty, (Brihaspati) the Lord of the Universe, the Support of all, endow us with knowledge and power. Mayest thou (Vishnu) O Omnipresent and (Urukrama) Omnipotent Being, shower Thy blessings all around us." Rig Veda

There is no mentioning of any forms of God. It only glorifies the One God by mentioning His beautiful names.

He is Allah, beside Whom, there is no god but Him, the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He is Allah, beside Whom, there is no god but Him, Al-Malik (The Owner and King of All things), Al-Quddus (The Pure), As-Salam (Free from any defects of shortcomings), Al-Mu`min (Who has granted safety to His servants by promising that He will never be unjust to them) , Al-Muhaymin (The Witness for His servants actions), Al-`Aziz (He is the Almighty, Dominant over All things), Al-Jabbar, Al-Mutakabbir (The Only One worthy of being the Compeller and Supreme). Glory be to Allah! Above all that they associate as partners with Him. He is Allah, Al-Khaliq, Al-Bari, Al-Musawwir. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. Quran 59:22-24

For this is what the high and lofty One says--he who lives forever, whose name is holy: I live in a high and holy place, but also with him who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite. Isaiah 57:15

Look at the beautiful names of God mentioned in the above verses. There is no mentioning of any forms or any names of humans who came by the means of the wombs of any woman.

The Glorious Quran

1. Quran was the last sent scripture by prophet Mohammad. First of all, Quran does recognizes all the previous scriptures.

And this Qur'an is not such as could ever be produced by other than Allah (One God) but it is a confirmation of (the revelation) which was before it, and a full explanation of the Book -- wherein there is no doubt -- from the Lord of all that exists. Quran 10:37

One of the foremost aspect of the Quran is that it does not disprove the previous scriptures. It recognizes all the previous scriptures as the true revelations from The Same Source. A believer is not a believer unless and until he/she is ready to believe all the previous scriptures.

And who have faith in what is revealed to you and in what was revealed before you, and in the Hereafter they are certain. Quran 2:4

2. Now, Quran testifies that all the messengers of God were sent with The One and Only Message.

And We did not send any Messenger before you but We revealed to him (saying): "There is no God but I, so worship Me. '' Quran 21:25

Here Quran upholds the prime and most important commands of all the prophets of God and their scriptures.

3. Being the last revealed scripture, it does give a picture of the events that occurred in the past.

Verily, We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings and a warner.  And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them. Quran 35:24

So, to every community who lived under the sky, were sent prophets of  God, to proclaim the Oneness of God by worshiping Him and Only Him.

4. Quran also says that each messenger were sent in the language of their own people.

"And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them ..." Quran 14:4

So Quran clearly maintains and recognizes all the previous Scriptures and their Prophets.

5. A believer is supposed to proclaim this belief of One God. A believer is supposed to proclaim this belief of All Scriptures of God. A believer is supposed to proclaim this belief of all Messengers of God.

The Messenger believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in Allah (One God), His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) "We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all).'' Quran 2:285

This is The Universal Message that Quran put forwards and that is what is The Base Understanding.

- There is no delineation of their god, your god. There is only One God, Our God.
- There is no delineation of their scripture, your scripture. There is only Scriptures sent by One God.
- There is no delineation of their their prophet, your prophet. There is only Messengers sent by One God.

will be continued ...

Monday, November 28, 2011

MAIL - 12

My Friend Wrote -

OK. So you understood that I also agree to your point and also disagree some what.  Some people like me never understand or agree unless I am fully convinced otherwise :). Ok as you said sometimes after learning all such scriptures I might start to believe, but not now.
After reading some of those items my approach has changed significantly( you can see some usages  like "I agree" to prove that :) ). So there is hope.

Let us not continue with this case because as you said we understood each others points.

>> Now it is up to you to convince yourself and act upon it.
There are chances( only minor anyway ) like at some point the reverse might also happen. Means you getting convinced in the other way. Because we can only be sure once we directly know it and for that .......... :)

I am trying to understand things logically too because as i said whatever scriptures we have are written so many years ago and if there is any manipulation it is equally possible for any of them, may it be Qur'an , Bible or Vedas. Also humans are interpreting the written items and i have seen people explaining same verse to be different meaning and every explanation if heard separately, sounds like it is correct. So some logic from our side get into effect.

We can continue through mails.
So Bible Vedas Quran etc teach same things. Is it the base understanding ??


Friday, November 25, 2011

MAIL - 11

I Wrote -

Dear Friend

As per our talk the differing point is very clear to both of us (after a personal talk we agreed to disagree).

Suppose a person who believes in God says that - God is capable of knowing what is in my mind. So I will not pray to God to get food, get my disease cured etc.

From a human logical point of view I say that he is correct. Since God is capable of knowing his needs and problems than the person himself, God will help him and the person does not have to specifically pray to God.

But from the scriptures, it is very clear to me that a human being should ask God, the above mentioned things and at the same time one should believe that God is capable of knowing what is in his heart. Also, God really loves his slave when he asks more and more.

I feel that your logical thought regarding the worship of God through Idol is same as above.
So regarding the Idol worship, as you said, it is clear to you that it is not the correct way and at the same time you are sticking to it :) I think I have done my best effort to convince you the case. Now it is up to you to convince yourself and act upon it.

I strongly recommend you to learn scriptures very seriously. The more you get closer to it the more you get closer to God. And it really struck me when you said, during our talk, that you are feeling a great fear when you think of praying the God directly. I realize that it is the number one quality of a believer in God. Even though  I am worshiping God directly, I am trying very hard to get such a fearful mind when standing before God.

Now, as I said earlier I am explaining the reality of messengers or prophets of God.

Prophets of God

God chose prophets from human beings to guide the humanity from time to time. God gave scriptures through these prophets. It was the duty of prophets to explain the meaning of the scriptures and clarify the doubts along with becoming a role model. It is important to understand that all the prophets explained the scriptures as per the commands of God and not by their own opinion, not a bit.

Now see some points regarding the prophets and their scriptures.

1. The  prime and the most important command of all the scriptures were - Worship none but Him.
2. All the scriptures explained the concept of Heaven and Hell.
3. The scriptures explained that there exist a kind of beings called Devils who are greatest enemy of the mankind.
4. This world will be finished one day and all the humans will be brought before The Court of Justice of God and the finest justice will be executed by God.
5. God commanded the humans to strictly follow the prophets. The life of prophet additionally explained everything with its finest details.
6. All the prophets had to openly declare that they are the prophets from God. They were given some miracles to prove their prophet hood.
7. The life on this earth is only a test and the real life starts after the death.

- If you think that your profession should be appraised then God intended to do the appraisal for The Whole Life.

I know that you will have many many doubts. I think we can discuss personally or by email.

Now I would like to inform you the motives behind this dialog with you.
I would like to say with an example. Suppose, I get an information that tomorrow morning there comes a big earth quake and it is sure that all the people will be died. If I only know about this and I kept it secret and I escaped without informing you and others about the dangerous situation. What a terrible disaster it would be to you?

The religion that I follow taught me to invite other people to this way with knowledge and good advice. There is no compulsion or any kind of incitement. If I kept this realities undelivered to the fellow beings in my circle, definitely I will be questioned on the Day of  Judgment. I would like to let you know that I am a beginner to the religious studies and what I have with me is only a tip of the iceberg.

What we together can do is to make a very sincere prayer from the dept of our heart - "O God, You Are Clearly Seeing This. You Know What Is In Our Heart. We Beg You To Show Us The Right Path"


Thursday, November 24, 2011


One Of My Friend Commended -

One doubt. You said why worship idols instead worship The Creator. Then whats the point in going to Makka? Muhammad was just a messenger right?


Dear Friend

Thank you for your curious question.

It is due to the unawareness of the historical facts that leads to this kind of understanding.

What Is Makkah

Makkah is a city that hosts The First House of God that was built by prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, before some 5,000 years ago. One need to clearly understand the context in which such a house was built. Quran introduces Abraham as a true prophet from God.

And mention in the Book (the Qur'an, the story of) Ibrahim. Verily! He was a man of truth, a Prophet. Quran 19:41

Father of prophet Abraham was an Idol maker in the city of Ur (present day Iraq). His father was an elite among his people. Prophet Abraham did not believe in the idol worship and he said to his father -

When he said to his father: "O my father! Why do you worship that which hears not, sees not and cannot avail you in anything O my father! Verily! There has come to me of knowledge that which came not unto you. So follow me. I will guide you to a straight path. Quran 19:42 - 43.

The response from his father was severe. His father threatened him.

He (the father) said: "Do you reject my gods, O Ibrahim If you stop not (this), I will indeed stone you. So get away from me safely before I punish you.'' Quran 19:46

His father threatened him that he will kill him. Then prophet Abraham replied to his father -

Ibrahim said: "Peace be on you! I will ask forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily! He is unto me, Ever Most Gracious. And I shall turn away from you and from those whom you invoke besides Allah. And I shall call on my Lord; and I hope that I shall not be unanswered in my invocation to my Lord.'' Quran 19:47-48

Please note the point -

- Prophet Ibrahim did not reply in the same tone.
- He said Peace be on you!

As a result, prophet Abraham left his house. The history goes on and on. Since prophet Abraham left his family and people who were idol worshipers, God commanded him to build A House of Worship without any Idols.

Verily, the first House (of worship) appointed for mankind was that at Bakkah (Makkah), full of blessing, and a guidance for Al-Alamin (mankind and Jinn). In it are manifest signs (for example), the Maqam (station) of Ibrahim; whosoever enters it, he attains security. And Hajj (the annual pilgrimage) to the House is a duty that mankind owes to Allah (One God), for those who are able to undertake the journey; and whoever disbelieves, then Allah stands not in need of any of the Alamin (mankind). Quran 3:96-97

- Prophet Abraham, thus built The First House of Worship of God without any idols.
- History of prophet Abraham is very lengthy. He left an unmatched Legacy of the worship of One God, before this Mankind.

Now comes the answer to your question. It was for the remembrance of The Legacy of Worship of One God and due to the command from One God, a Muslim goes to Makkah as a pilgrimage.

- It is not for worship of Idol, a believer goes to Makkah, It is for worship of One God, a believer goes to Makkah.

Mohammad was a Only a Messenger of God

Yes, Mohammad was only a messenger of God.

"Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever All-Aware of everything." Quran 33:40

- He did not call mankind to worship him.
- He did call mankind to worship One God.

... Say: "I am commanded only to worship Allah (One God) and not to join partners with Him. To Him I call and to Him is my return.'' Quran 13:36

So please understand that a believer goes to Makkah not to worship prophet Mohammad, it is to Worship The One Who Created prophet Mohammad.


Tuesday, November 22, 2011

MAIL - 10

My Friend Wrote -
I clearly got your point. But I am talking about the intention which I think you did not catch. What I am trying to say is you are absolutely correct in sense there is only one god. 
"Worship Him and not the idol".
Dear friend, this is the right and I agree it. :)
But idol worshipers are not doing a great sin. See the prayer he makes. Ok due to ignorance he is not acting as such as per gods command but his mind is filled with good feelings. To understand this Goodness, no need to read scriptures. Only a good mind is required:). If we can understand that this is good then I would say that we don't have the capacity to understand the scriptures.
In the above, read the bold part, 3 times.
The prayer of asking goodness for everyone, is the intention against the will of GOD ??
The prayer of asking goodness for everyone, is full of ignorance. ??
Applicable to all such places such as Dargas round the world such as Darga of Ajmir etc etc. 
I am talking about the prayer. To whom one worship, is important but here one who has to accept the prayer is GOD. GOD knows well.
We are talking different areas.
I am talking about the prayer not the one who is prayed to. But you are sticking on to the one who is prayed to. As far as prayer is concerned , Here on one side is human being and other side is God itself.  
Humans are ignorant and have their limitations. 
God is ..... ( i don't have to explain that to you ). 

Will God will feel bad  like  see he is worshiping  something I created , not me. Don't degrade God to that level of human beings. God can understand. Intention "if it is for good" has very much importance. If both of us cannot understand this Good, then we need to discuss this first. With this understanding only, we can understand scriptures and distinguish the truth saying of prophets and other false sayings. 
Leave the one who is being prayed and see what is being prayed for ?? Intention comes in that side only. What do you think, that prayer is bad ??
I already said, I understand One God concept and I do firmly believe that Sri Krishna is just a messenger as per Islamic belief. Having understood or read different religious materials( not much anyway ), I do accept that. Don't think that i dint understand the concept. 
It's like you misunderstood me. I am not saying Shri Krishna is ultimate God. What I am saying is a normal human is seeing ( due to his ignorance ) God in Shri krishna. And praying for Good.  
The person praying to an idol  is trying to connect to the god and asking for good will only. For a person who have good knowledge can understand that it is not the best method. but that is not wrong either.
Prayer is something like a communication between human and god . Here humans intention is good whatever means he take.God can understand that. And please note that "Intention is Good" and if the intention is achieved output is also Good itself. Other wise you have to teach me like  "The prayer of asking goodness for everyone, is a bad intention".  
Teach me like The prayer of asking goodness for everyone is bad.
Or Teach me like When god hears this prayer , he will react or feel bad because the person is praying to an idol and God will not understand what is actually being prayed for .
>> What if a person stole another persons money and use it to help a poor person? Can you justify it?
How do you justify it. Are we to understand what is right and wrong?  After reading so called attributes  in your earlier mail you are deciding what is right or wrong. Nisam understand that he stole to help someone else. We don't have the capacity to understand that it is to help poor people right? There are certain simple things that we can understand. There are other complex items, that I have addressed in the that mail.

Monday, November 21, 2011


One Of My Friend Commended -

I have consolidated my thoughts. To idol worshipers ask these questions.

Is this your GOD who created you?
This can save you?
This can forgive your sins?
This can be show mercy to you?

From my point of view, we have statues of Jesus Christ, saints. Not sure whether Jesus looked like the current statues. According to trinity, The father, The Son and The Holy Spirit together forms God.  Still we don’t have idols for the father and The Holy Spirit. Jesus has statue, since he lived in the form of a human being. So statue resembling  Jewish man at that time's culture was made. Christians conduct processions with these statues doesn’t mean that they are worshiping that human made stone. Ask above 4 questions. The answer will be NO for all the questions. If they say YES, then it is true idol worship and it is deadly sin and violation of first commandment given by God to Moses.


Dear Friend

Thank you very much for the explanation.

From the Biblical verses, what I understand is that, if even the answer is NO for all the above questions, it does not approve the creation of Idols. Again, if the answers are NO, then what is the point in making them ?

All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame. Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit him nothing? He and his kind will be put to shame; craftsmen are nothing but men. Let them all come together and take their stand; they will be brought down to terror and infamy. Isaiah 44:9-11

- Bible teaches that Idols are nothing.
- Bible teaches that Idols are worthless.
- Bible teaches that those who speak up for them are blind.
- Bible teaches that those who speak up for them are ignorant.
- Bible teaches that those who worship idols, profit nothing.

Even if the answers to your questions are big NOs, it not only makes any sense to create idols but also it is clearly against the teachings of The Bible. If your answer to the four questions are NOs, then put a fifth big NO to the creation of the idols !

That is exactly what Jesus Christ himself said.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers !'" Matthew 7:23

When someone invite me to worship Sri Krishna, I can say that I am not a that Hindu.
When someone invite me to worship Jesus Christ, I can say that I am not a that Christian.
When someone invite me to worship prophet Mohammad, I can say that I am not a that Muslim.


When someone invite me to worship The One, Who created Sri Krishna, Jesus Christ, prophet Mohammad, The One, Who created all those who lived before them, The One, Who created sun and the moon, The One, Who created the earth, mountains, landscapes, forests, rain forests, trees, etc etc etc, The One, Who created the Milky ways, The Galaxies, The Super Novas, The ever-ever expanding Universe, my dear friend,  I have no better option.

This is what The Vedas said -

"The wise yogis concentrate their minds; and concentrate their thought as well in the Supreme Reality, which is Omnipresent, Great and Omniscient. He alone, knowing their functions, assigns to the sense organs their respective tasks. Verily, great is the glory of to Divine Creator." Rigveda 5:81

This is what The Bible said -

"This is what God the LORD says--he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it: "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols." Isaiah 42:5-8

This is what The Quran said -

O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allah), Who created you and those who were before you so that you may acquire Taqwa (God fearing mind and practice). Who has made the earth a resting place for you, and the sky as a canopy, and sent down water (rain) from the sky and brought forth therewith fruits as a provision for you. Then do not set up rivals unto Allah (in worship) while you know (that He alone has the right to be worshiped). Quran 2:21-22


Friday, November 18, 2011


One Of My Friend Commented -
I am really confused about your idea of “worst crime”

#1 - Who kill lots of innocent beings but worships an amorphous God.
#2 - Good person who prayed at Guruvayoor.

So you think  #1 should be glorified than #2?

If you were god , which one will be punished severely? #2 ?


Dear Friend

Thank you very much for your comments.

First of all, I am not expressing my opinion, in the matter of Religion. I am expressing what I have learned from the scriptures.

I hope that you are a firm believer of The Bible. When we look at the commandments of Jesus Christ, we can see that the prime and the most important command was to Submit To The One God.

"One of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?"

Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength." Mark 28-30

Here the disciples of  Jesus Christ is asking about the Commandment that is First of All.

Again, I request you to go through the verses of Exodus from 1 to 17. It lists out the priority of the commandments.

"And God spoke all these words: "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments." Exodus 20: 1-7

Look at the order of precedence in the verses of The Bible. Now,

"You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery." Exodus 20:13-14

So the case of Murder is listed only after a couple of good commands. That does not mean that Murder is not a serious one. But that does mean that both are serious but The First One is The Most Serious. Without paying attention to The First Command, it does not make any sense to go after the succeeding commands.

What I understand is that The Bible in several places has given most importance to The Worship of One God without Idols. Murdering people is also a serious crime but when we evaluate both crimes and when we try to analyze which one is the worst crime, it can be clearly seen that - It is Going Against The First Commandment of Jesus Christ.

From a logical perspective I have put before you a clear cut example. Think about it. Which One Is The Most Serious One To You ?

- Is it that of the Killing of the baby by the wife ?
- Is it that of sharing with another person that she is supposed to share Only with her husband ?

Here what is the challenge to the Husband-hood ? The Killing ? or The Sharing ?

Once again,

- Worshiping The One God by other means such as Idols, Images, Graves etc Is Sharing The Sole Right Of God (Worship none But Him) with Others.

  - This is a Clear Cut Challenge To The Lordship of God, The Almighty.

- Killing a Human is a serious crime but that does not result in the
Sharing The Sole Right Of God (Worship none But Him) with Others.

  - This is also going against the command of God, but It Does Not challenge The Lordship of God, The Almighty.


Tuesday, November 15, 2011

MAIL - 9

I Wrote:

Dear Friend

It seems to me that you did not see, touch, think of my basic evidence that I quoted from scriptures.

1 What is his intention ? God or Bad.
His intention is against the intention of God; knowingly and most probably unknowingly.

When the customer ask you to use C++ language to develop the software and instead, you used Java and submit it to the customer, will customer accept it ? Will the customer accept it by you having a very very good intention ?

No, Not at All.

Customer gave you all the amenities and a good salary so that you are expected to work as per the customer expectations. If you are not ready to obey his guidelines then you will get fired off the job. Any doubt ?

- God does not want you to be among the "Deluded people of vain hopes."
- God does not want you be "inclined to the delusive nature of Asuras and Rakshasas."  


- God does want you to be a "high-souled one".
- God does want you to "worship him with minds not (turned) elsewhere."


- You want to go against the intention of God by having the so called "good intention" and you expect God to answer your prayer !!

No, It Is Never Going To Happen.

God has Created you, He created the earth, the sun and the moon. He gave you enough food, water, oxygen, etc etc etc and God asked you to Worship him With Minds not (turned) elsewhere but you want to worship him by being inclined to the delusive nature of Asuras and Rakshasas ?? Great !

- Think, Is there any partner for God in the creation of The Earth, The Sun, The Moon etc ?
- Think, Is there any partner for God in Raining of Fresh water from the Sky ?

2 What is in his mind ? Hatred for the creator ??
No hatred but full of ignorance. His mind is filled with "vain hopes, vain acts, vain knowledge, whose minds are disordered."
3 What bad is he doing to the world ?
He is doing The Worst Crime that a human can do and that without the understanding that he is doing the worst crime.

- Because, he is "inclined to the delusive nature of Asuras and Rakshasas."
- Because, he is "not knowing my highest nature as great lord of all entities."
- Because, he has "disregard me as I have assumed a human body."

Learn that this is not only applicable to this specific place but applicable to all such places such as Dargas round the world such as Darga of Ajmir etc etc.

"You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged) - you and your fathers - for which Allah has sent down no authority. The command is for none but Allah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him; that is the straight religion, but most men know not.'' Quran 12:40

Ignorant and mostly misguided Muslims go to Dargas and other graveyards to Pray to the one who was buried there !

- Quran teaches in whose name those Idols, Dargas are made, they are only names that you and your fathers are named.
- Almighty God has given then no authority to establish such Idols, Dargas etc.
- Quran teaches that you worship none but Him.
- Quran teaches that that is the straight religion. Religion without any crooked way of worship.
- Quran also teaches that most men know not.

Again, Quran says -

"And do not invoke besides Allah (One God) what will not benefit you nor harm you. For if you did, you would certainly be one of the wrongdoers.'' Quran 10:106

"But most men know not" !! including you !

The Worst Crime ?

How worshiping God other than in the specified manner amounts to The Worst Crime ?

Consider a husband and a wife. Two events happens in their life.

1.   The husband sees that his wife shares one thing, with another person that she is supposed to share only with him.
2.   The husband sees that his wife killed their child  purposefully or by mistake.

Both of the above are serious cases. If we look at which is more serious, we can see that the first one is a clear and definite challenge to the husband-hood and it is more than enough to shatter the marriage relationship.  The second case is also a serious one but that does not challenge the husband-hood.

- Worshiping The One God by other means such as Idols, Images, Graves etc Is Sharing The Sole Right Of God (Worship none But Him) with Others.
- Killing a Human is a serious crime but that does not result in the Sharing The Sole Right Of God (Worship none But Him) with Others.

When a Hindu goes to Guruvayur temple, he is ignorant/ignoring what Sri Krishna said -

"Wicked men, doers of evil (acts), who are deluded, who are deprived of their knowledge by (this) delusion, and who incline to the demoniac state of mind, do not resort to me. But, O Arguna! doers of good (acts) of four classes worship me...BhagavatGita Chapter VII.

"But most men know not" !!

In whose name you go to Guruvayur temple, the same person's words clearly stands against you.

When a Muslim goes to a Darga or Graveyard, he is ignorant/ignoring what Quran said -

"And who is more astray than one who calls on besides Allah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls to them. And when mankind are gathered, they (false deities) will become their enemies and will deny their worshiping." Quran 46:5-6

"But most men know not" !!

When a Christian stands before the idols like that of Jesus Christ,  he is ignorant/ignoring what The Bible said -

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below" Exodus 20:4
"Do not bow down before their gods or worship them or follow their practices. You must demolish them and break their sacred stones to pieces." Exodus 23:24

"But most men know not" !!

To my knowledge and from the above quoted verses, The Vedas, The Bible, The Quran, have out-rightly and severely condemned the use of idols, images and Graveyards as a means of worship to The Almighty God. All the scriptures stands united on The Worship None But Him, The First, The Last, The Eternal, The Self-Sufficient, The One Who Begets Not, The One Who is not Begotten.

Now, to your thought.

The Guruvayur Temple is the place of Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna was born as the 7th or 8 th child of his mother Devaki. Now think who controlled this universe and its affairs before the birth of Sri Krishna? To whom his mother Devaki prayed and also other elder brothers? Or they did not have such good intentions? Do you think that they worshiped Sri Krishna before he was born?

Please let me know your thought about this.


MAIL - 8

My Friend Wrote –

Let me ask a simple question.

A person goes to a temple, say Guruvayoor. He prays god for Good will of him and his family. And say he is broad minded person and he prays for the good will of the world. Many people who goes to Guruvayoor is doing this, I believe.

1 What is his intention ? God or Bad.
2 What is in his mind ? Hatred for the creator ??
3 What bad is he doing to the world ?

I think you can answer to this simply !! It is not that complex question to answer.

Please reply.


Monday, November 14, 2011

MAIL - 7

I Wrote –

Dear Friend

God said worship the Creator and not the idol. You specified only the first phrase in the first line of your last mail.

"They are seeing the God in this idol".
I say that God said that He does not have image or shape. That means nobody can see God in a shape such as idol. So how can an idol worshiper can see God in an Idol ?

... Deluded people of vain hopes, vain acts, vain knowledge, whose minds are disordered, and who are inclined to the delusive nature of Asuras and Rakshasas, not knowing my highest nature as great lord of all entities, disregard me as I have assumed a human body. ... BhagavatGita 9:10-14

Yes. Only deluded people of vain hope, vain acts, vain knowledge can only see the God in this idol.

My first point is that the idol worship is against the command of God. That means if a person worship God through idol, God will punish him. So how a person can expect his prayers will be answered by God in a way that God has prohibited ? I have already put my points in the last mail regarding this. Either you don't understand this point or you are purposefully excluding.

Now you said Intention is Good and we can determine or we have to determine :-

Human beings are incapable to determine what is Good and what is Wrong.Yesterday's right will be wrong for a person of tomorrow. God being The Everliving can only know what will be Good and what will be wrong.

Part of the above point, you asked did God mention every poor person’s name. No God did not. But I say that God has clearly explained The Attributes of poor and rich people. Isn't it enough to identify poor and rich people? 

You said "helping the poor is good by any means". Let me ask one question. What if a person stole another person’s money and use it to help a poor person? Can you justify it? So it calls for a very clear guideline. God has clearly specified the guideline on how one can help poor people and it is better to follow only this way.

Even We have read FRS and after implementing bugs came out and then we know requirement was not as we understood.

-If it is from God, then it will not contain any single bug.
-If it does contain a single bug, then it means, either it is not from God or human's words are mixed with God's Words.

Hence, bugs will not come in God's Words and there is no question of humans writing 'the code to fix the bug'.

"Human beings are depicting the meaning, not God."
No. Human beings are not eligible to interpret the meaning of God's Word. Yesterday born, today lived, tomorrow died, silly human is completely and fully incapable of interpreting the meaning of God's words. Here comes the facts of messengers of God. I will explain about this later.

So please think about the two core points

1. Regarding the idol worship.
2. If the intention is good one can do what he wants to do.


Thursday, November 10, 2011


One of My Friend Commented -

I think, if we think of our relation ship to GOD similar to our relationship with our parents or dear and near ones, things will get much more clarity. Few examples are below

  • Worshiping the creator in their own way  - If your parents like your presence rather and you are sending them monthly cheques or if they like Indian food and you provide them modern fast food, will they happy ? Any one will agree that ideal way of treatment is, we should identify the way they would like to be treated and do at accordingly.
  • They are seeing the God in this idol - Imagine you have a beautiful (at heart) mother and father. And you are keeping an idol of a monkey/donkey to remember them. Is it same if we do this to our Creator ?
  • God said to help poor - For us this is not the primary thing we are told. we should avoid exploiting the poor at the first place, for that we should ask systematic questions  like how to get rid of greed and arrogance ? For that we should bring in accountability, how we can bring in accountability? There is no other way other than fear of GOD the unseen to bring in real accountability. So primary issue is identifying the God, fear God, fear accountability, live as per His guidance. So any such good will indirectly get linked with our identification of GOD and his Guidance to us.
  • We are given enough discriminating power - Slight disagreement here. Though we have some inherent instincts to look for truth, our intellect alone is not enough to discriminate. Today, right and wrong is very much confusing and we typically follow what majority follows or what powerful media says. Honestly speaking, our capability to distinguish right and wrong is almost taken out by education, media and other personal comfort factors.


Dear Friend

Thank you for your thoughtful comments.

Each of the points worth mentioning at this context. A student of scripture can clearly see that God Himself did not expect to be worshiped by the means of any forms. I remember one event during the time of prophet Mohammad. An idol worshiper was traveling by a ship. The ship was about to be sunk by an overwhelming storm. The people on the ship commented :

"None can save you except Allah (One God) Alone.''

Then this man said -

"By Allah, if none can benefit on the sea except Allah then no doubt none can benefit on land except Allah. `O Allah! I promise You that if You bring me safely out of this, I will go and put my hand in the hand of Muhammad and surely, I will find him full of pity, kindness and mercy.'' Reported By Imam Ibn Kathir.

The point is, God who can save from the disaster at Sea, can only save from the disaster at Land.

This kind of incidents can be seen throughout the history of mankind. This kind of human nature is addressed in the Quran.

"And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him. But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away. And man is ever ungrateful." Quran 17:67.


Wednesday, November 9, 2011

MAIL - 6

My Friend Wrote –

God say worship the creator. Idol worshipers are worshiping the creator in their own way. That is it. It is not like "no we won’t worship creator, we will worship this idol only". They are seeing the God in this idol. You have to understand that point.

Let us conclude this point first. I think this is foremost needed.

Intention is Good and we can determine or we have to determine :- 

God said to help poor. Did god named each poor person??  How do you differentiate between rich and poor. Everything as such is not written in scriptures. God says to help poor. We are given enough discriminating power. Yes sure, there are more complex cases which is little harder to understand. But helping the poor is good by any means, I believe.  

I can also say I will not help poor, because God has not named this poor person in scriptures ,and I am following the scriptures.

Don't think as I am confusing you. This is the actual point. We read these scriptures and We depict the meaning from them. and Then We act . There is something that you put from your side and there always is . Lots of We's  are involved in the process. 

Tailpiece: Even We have read FRS and after implementing bugs came out and then we know requirement was not as we understood. Also, do understand that it is not the same code every one writes for every requirement. God has stated the requirements and the way to live. We read and we understand based on your limits. Human beings are depicting the meaning, not God

>> So we cannot say that if the intention is good and it does not harm others, we can do whatever; rather we should inspect whether it is from God or not.
Help is done by different means. Some pays by cash . Some helps by muscle power . Some one forwards a mail :) .  Everybody's intention is good. We have enough knowledge at least in this case to understand what is good and what is bad. That is not directly written in scriptures. Is it ?? 

The point is everything as such is not written in scriptures. There is some involvement from our side involved.

We can continue. :) ...


Tuesday, November 8, 2011

MAIL - 5

I Wrote –
Dear Friend

As I said earlier, the proof of any religion is scriptures. I believe that you already know the fact that all the scriptures are from God. It is not the idea of any person(s) lived in the respective time of the scripture.

>>But with Idol worship nobody is insulting God. is it so ??
What I understand is, Yes, it is. It is acting against the command of God and hence it is a kind of insult to God, from a human point of view. Actually God cannot be insulted by any human actions because He is High and He is far superior with respect to the actions of puny humans.

"Nature gives birth to movables and immovables through me, the supervisor, and by reason of that, O son of Kunti! the universe revolves.

Deluded people of vain hopes, vain acts, vain knowledge, whose minds are disordered, and who are inclined to the delusive nature of Asuras and Rakshasas, not knowing my highest nature as great lord of all entities, disregard me as I have assumed a human body.

But the high-souled ones, O son of Pritha! who are inclined to the godlike nature, knowing me as the inexhaustible source of (all) entities, worship me with minds not (turned) elsewhere.

Constantly glorifying me, and exerting themselves, firm in their vows, and saluting me with reverence, they worship me, being always devoted." BhagavatGita 9:10-14

People with the following qualities will only worship God, with Idols.
- People of vain hopes.
- People of vain acts.
- People of vain Knowledge.
- People of disordered minds.
- People who turned to the delusive nature of Asuras and Rakshasas.
- People who consider God as He have assumed a human body !

People with the following qualities will only worship God, without Idols.
- People having high-souls.
- People who truly turn towards God.
- People who know God as the inexhaustible source of all entities.
  - The stone, wood etc by which an Idol is made, is an exhaustible thing.
  - God says that he is inexhaustible.
  - An inexhaustible cannot be represented by an exhaustible thing.
- People who worship God with minds and not turned elsewhere.
Please read the above verses couple of times and think whether Idol worship is the way that God intended or not.

Quran says -

Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth glorifies Allah (One God) -- the King, the Holy, the Almighty, the All-Wise. Quran 62:1

- All birds are Glorifying God.
- All animals are Glorifying God.
- ...
- All movables are Glorifying God.
- Thunder and Lightning are Glorifying God.
- Storm and Wind are Glorifying God.
- ...
- Stone is Glorifying God.
- Trees are Glorying God.
- ...

As a human being, one should Glorify God and Only God. Since the stone by which Idols are created, themselves are in a state of Glorifying God, how can you expect the idol to take your Glorification to God?

Quran clearly teaches that the movables and the immovables mentioned in the above verse, Glorifies God.

Now, the scriptures should not be written/edited/deleted by any human beings. If it happens then the following things would occur.

1.The scripture will become a collection of saying of God and human beings.
2.It would contain contradiction and errors. Because the person who edited the scripture would be limited/influenced by the time and knowledge that he possesses.

Clearly this is not what God intended. His commands should reach to everyone unaltered.
Now coming to your first point.

I understand that the idol worship is against the command of God. It is disobeying the command of God. Since God has clearly explained how we should worship Him, how one can add to it?


If the intention is good and it does not harm others. This is a very important point.

- You must understand that, the human beings cannot determine what is good or what is wrong.

- If it is so, then today's good would be bad for tomorrow's generation. A man cannot not know what will happen in this world after his death.

- God is ever living, Knows past, present and future. God clearly understands what is good for His creations and what is bad for His creations.

So we cannot say that if the intention is good and it does not harm others, we can do whatever; rather we should inspect whether it is from God or not. If it is from God then we can accept it otherwise we cannot.

Please think about the two points.

By the way, I would like to convey you that there is no room for hatred just because my fellow being believes what he believes. If a person feels hatred just because of this, then I say that the person does not truly believes what he believes. I see that every man has freedom to believe/do etc as long as it does not affect others freedom. Please keep this point higher in your mind throughout our discussion.

I will let you know my view on the other points as we move.